Comments on: Slobs for Jesus http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/ For Street Preaching Open Air Evangelists Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:44:21 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: timwalzer http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-62 timwalzer Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:44:21 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-62 In the World of Street Preachers, there are just two Kinds of Street preachers. When we boil it down to its most common from. There are those Called and Ordain of God, and there are those called by man and ordain ed by mans approval.Just two Classes and only two.It all matters Whose Glory will you seek, Yours or God's?In these last days, Men love the praise of their peers.While they set aside the Praise Of God instead.What would the Praise of God be,you might ask?If you do not know,then you fall into the later class that seek mens approval of what your Doing.God's way at times will seem to be a little harsh to the timid, strange to those use to being patted on the back for a job well done.Jails,beatings, shipwrecks,perils of the brethren,hunger, famine, Lost of friends, A lonely road to embark on.I tell you this as well, Its a road of reward, a road of seeing The Lord Work in the heart of unbelievers, seeing God's Hand defending and protecting , and seeing the Lord work in the heart of your enemys. Yes a Lonely road with at times only the Holy Spirit to comfort you. The Peace that only comes in the midst of confusion.A peace that settles around you like a glove, to whisper Keep it up, Keep telling them,tell them about my Son. Have you heard that voice? Well have you?I have hard it say shut up and run!!!!Ye think me strange now I suppose,yet I know whom I served, So friend, Why?What Class of Preacher are Ye In?Do you seek these words from Our Father"WELL DONE",Some day it may cost you everthing to be His preacher!I hear some say " I Give It All up to WIN Christ! Really! Maybe The Lord Might test you.After All, you are His, Its His calling Right?But until that Day, Learn to Love Him and be thankfull for what ever bread crumbs come your way. Preacher, straghten up. Take you calling with the seriousness to which ye are called. These Words are life,and they are death.Lord Bless you to understand What I have said. In the World of Street Preachers, there are just two Kinds of Street preachers. When we boil it down to its most common from. There are those Called and Ordain of God, and there are those called by man and ordain ed by mans approval.Just two Classes and only two.It all matters Whose Glory will you seek, Yours or God’s?In these last days, Men love the praise of their peers.While they set aside the Praise Of God instead.What would the Praise of God be,you might ask?If you do not know,then you fall into the later class that seek mens approval of what your Doing.God’s way at times will seem to be a little harsh to the timid, strange to those use to being patted on the back for a job well done.Jails,beatings, shipwrecks,perils of the brethren,hunger, famine, Lost of friends, A lonely road to embark on.I tell you this as well, Its a road of reward, a road of seeing The Lord Work in the heart of unbelievers, seeing God’s Hand defending and protecting , and seeing the Lord work in the heart of your enemys. Yes a Lonely road with at times only the Holy Spirit to comfort you. The Peace that only comes in the midst of confusion.A peace that settles around you like a glove, to whisper Keep it up, Keep telling them,tell them about my Son. Have you heard that voice? Well have you?I have hard it say shut up and run!!!!Ye think me strange now I suppose,yet I know whom I served, So friend, Why?What Class of Preacher are Ye In?Do you seek these words from Our Father”WELL DONE”,Some day it may cost you everthing to be His preacher!I hear some say ” I Give It All up to WIN Christ! Really! Maybe The Lord Might test you.After All, you are His, Its His calling Right?But until that Day, Learn to Love Him and be thankfull for what ever bread crumbs come your way. Preacher, straghten up. Take you calling with the seriousness to which ye are called. These Words are life,and they are death.Lord Bless you to understand What I have said.

]]> By: Bishop Walzer http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-52 Bishop Walzer Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:00:07 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-52 One last thought about those CARE NOT FOR THIER APPEAEANCE, Why is that a fact amonst you sirs?If you are correct in you atire,why all the fuss? Since you seem to care very little how the world sees you,I would also understand why it is you do not care How the Lord sees you.I would ask you, Do you believe the WORD OF GOD[KINGJAMES BIBLE]to be the Authority in all matters of faith and practice? Or are you replacing your Authority with God's? Upstain from all appearances of Evil, my Bible says,yet most of you look like your going to the beach or to the park.Look like the world and even speak like the world. I have heard at first hand some of the most vile talk , not from the heckler ,but from the preacher,Be ye Holy for Iam Holy sayeth my Bible, AN HOLY CALLING, A HOLY Conversation[as to a matter of conduct before the lost]It seems Brethen you have left the Very Word of God and replaced them with your words.THe World has taken over and you my brothers resent when the light is put on you.The time is short Sirs,If God called you, was it a HOLY CALLING?The World must SEE Jesus Christ has put a difference in you.You are the messenger, It is not you represent , But The ONe Who sent you.Yes it is apparent folks think you hate them the way you preach and they see no difference in the way you dress, why should they listern? One last thought about those CARE NOT FOR THIER APPEAEANCE, Why is that a fact amonst you sirs?If you are correct in you atire,why all the fuss? Since you seem to care very little how the world sees you,I would also understand why it is you do not care How the Lord sees you.I would ask you, Do you believe the WORD OF GOD[KINGJAMES BIBLE]to be the Authority in all matters of faith and practice? Or are you replacing your Authority with God’s? Upstain from all appearances of Evil, my Bible says,yet most of you look like your going to the beach or to the park.Look like the world and even speak like the world. I have heard at first hand some of the most vile talk , not from the heckler ,but from the preacher,Be ye Holy for Iam Holy sayeth my Bible, AN HOLY CALLING, A HOLY Conversation[as to a matter of conduct before the lost]It seems Brethen you have left the Very Word of God and replaced them with your words.THe World has taken over and you my brothers resent when the light is put on you.The time is short Sirs,If God called you, was it a HOLY CALLING?The World must SEE Jesus Christ has put a difference in you.You are the messenger, It is not you represent , But The ONe Who sent you.Yes it is apparent folks think you hate them the way you preach and they see no difference in the way you dress, why should they listern?

]]> By: Bishop Walzer http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-51 Bishop Walzer Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:29:29 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-51 gentle men, we are to live as an example before the younger brothers and sisters in Christ,So much so that a heavy warning is againist those that would cause a younger to stumble or fall. Whats more important, your righ to wear undergarments in public or keeping your self covered while Preaching the unsearchablr riches of Christ Jesus?Which of the two will you pick, Ignore the Bible or watch man. You are not going to the beach to swim,Brother Ickes and Brother Ron are right, The Lost man will find any reason to reject the message of the cross,Wow unto him that tru pride or liberty that rejects this message.Is your comfort really that important, Just because you have done something for years is that now to overthrow God's word.I see like W.C.Fields who was an agnostic all his life when caught reading a Bible just before his death, when question why he was nowread the Holy writ? he said "LOOKING FOR LOOP HOLES"is that what you are doing?I think others have said enough to cause some to question themsleves, why wear what you wear? Is it for you? or Jesus Christ? gentle men, we are to live as an example before the younger brothers and sisters in Christ,So much so that a heavy warning is againist those that would cause a younger to stumble or fall. Whats more important, your righ to wear undergarments in public or keeping your self covered while Preaching the unsearchablr riches of Christ Jesus?Which of the two will you pick, Ignore the Bible or watch man. You are not going to the beach to swim,Brother Ickes and Brother Ron are right, The Lost man will find any reason to reject the message of the cross,Wow unto him that tru pride or liberty that rejects this message.Is your comfort really that important, Just because you have done something for years is that now to overthrow God’s word.I see like W.C.Fields who was an agnostic all his life when caught reading a Bible just before his death, when question why he was nowread the Holy writ? he said “LOOKING FOR LOOP HOLES”is that what you are doing?I think others have said enough to cause some to question themsleves, why wear what you wear? Is it for you? or Jesus Christ?

]]> By: Bishop Walzer http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Bishop Walzer Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:08:30 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-50 larry Keffer, You make yourself out to be guilty, Your hat wearing self, sunglass wearing , shorts, camera and all those youtube viedos. LOOK AT ME .LOOK AT ME! never reading the scripture that says you dishonor your head Which is Christ by preaching with your head covered, Yes you are a trouble maker and now you acuse Ron of sowering discord amonst the brehten.Are you noe saying all of your group is saved? How do you know that ? Have you ask all of them ?or is it your guilty conscience that is eatting you?I sir think it is your pride that is hurt and now you to presume to speak for all.I would ask you, When was the last time you preach the GOSPEL OF SALVATION TO THE LOST?Listern why would you cause a younger brother to stumble with your liberty?Your personal words to Ron are in violation of the Sriptures, I can see it does not matter to you at all.I guess you must be a clown, if the shoe fits wear it. You tell on yourselfsir.try reading eph4:30, as wellas 1 timothy5:1 its still in the Bible, or is this is the way you speak to every one?If any one is causing a divide it is you and your comments, Clearly pride is why you even wrote those words of condemnation.I would also ask WHy are you offended?That conscience is a mightly weapon isnt it. Have you seared it. I do see you acting just like those that you have on you tube, using the same attitude towards the word of God when corrected by it.How does it feel?Now before you shot off your mouth,search the scriptures and see weather ye be in the faith.if I didn't know better i'd say you sound exactly like a liberal when you are question by him. larry Keffer, You make yourself out to be guilty, Your hat wearing self, sunglass wearing , shorts, camera and all those youtube viedos. LOOK AT ME .LOOK AT ME! never reading the scripture that says you dishonor your head Which is Christ by preaching with your head covered, Yes you are a trouble maker and now you acuse Ron of sowering discord amonst the brehten.Are you noe saying all of your group is saved? How do you know that ? Have you ask all of them ?or is it your guilty conscience that is eatting you?I sir think it is your pride that is hurt and now you to presume to speak for all.I would ask you, When was the last time you preach the GOSPEL OF SALVATION TO THE LOST?Listern why would you cause a younger brother to stumble with your liberty?Your personal words to Ron are in violation of the Sriptures, I can see it does not matter to you at all.I guess you must be a clown, if the shoe fits wear it. You tell on yourselfsir.try reading eph4:30, as wellas 1 timothy5:1 its still in the Bible, or is this is the way you speak to every one?If any one is causing a divide it is you and your comments, Clearly pride is why you even wrote those words of condemnation.I would also ask WHy are you offended?That conscience is a mightly weapon isnt it. Have you seared it. I do see you acting just like those that you have on you tube, using the same attitude towards the word of God when corrected by it.How does it feel?Now before you shot off your mouth,search the scriptures and see weather ye be in the faith.if I didn’t know better i’d say you sound exactly like a liberal when you are question by him.

]]> By: Brother David Ickes http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Brother David Ickes Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:15:51 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-15 Wow, this has taken an interesting turn. I would like to comment about Ruben's comment about John the Baptist. With all due respect Ruben, (and I do respect your works for God and have told you as much) regarding this subject it seems odd to appeal to John the Baptist as a proof case for the new testament preacher of the gospel. First, John was a forerunner preparing the way for the "Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world" in fulfillment of Isaiah 40. He was a voice of one crying in the wilderness. That part I am sure we can agree on. But there can be no correlation drawn between him and the new testament preaching, Holy Ghost filled preacher on this side of the cross because he was not sent into all the world to preach but rather the nation of Israel went to him. He did not go to people, they came to him. If someone came over to your home or your yard, then they should have no expectation as to your dress because after all, they came to you. The world is not coming to us, we are going to them. If we are going to go where they are, should we not want to represent our Lord properly? I mean, this is just common sense let alone biblical wisdom. We are trying to reach people who do look on the appearance. 1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. I reiterate what I posted earlier, that lost men do look at the outward appearance. We are trying to reach lost men. The mustard stain comment that I made was a hypothetical. Nobody would let a man operate on their brain if that man didn't even have enough common sense to care for himself or how he presents himself to others he would want to trust him for their care. Likewise, it seems the world would expect a preacher to appear to care how he presents himself and to appear that he is worthy of listening to. You also made a comment about Jesus not having nice clothes because the Romans had to dress him in purple as a king. How does this infer that Jesus did not have nice clothes? Purple is a royal color and therefore as you said they dressed him in purple "as a king". This would only allow us to logically conclude that Jesus did not have any purple clothes NOT nice clothes. As a matter of fact, the scriptures would disagree with your claim. Joh 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. A seamless garment would have been of great value. This would have been out of the ordinary for anyone but those of great stature. I am confident that this would have been given to him by someone of means, but how he got it is neither here nor there. He had a very nice coat. Jesus represented himself not as rich, but with dignity and respect. Also, you commented on Joh 7:24 - "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." Let me ask this. How do you use this verse in a discussion about the physical appearance of a man's clothing or lack thereof? This verse has nothing to do with dress. It is talking about Jesus having healed a man on the sabbath and the problems he was getting from the Jews over it. He was telling them not to judge how his healing "appeared" to them but whether or not it was righteous for him to make a man whole on the sabbath. This has nothing whatsoever to do with how one dresses. This is an example of the dangers of wresting the scriptures. You cannot take a verse out of its context to make it say what you want it to say. When you quoted the verse, you used it to rebuke Ron for judging the "appearance" of people, when the verse has nothing to do with the appearance of people but of his works. Anyway, even if it did mean what you claim it to mean, that would be something that we should be doing amongst ourselves as followers of Christ. How does this affect the wisdom of trying to reach the world with the gospel, when the world (man) does look at the appearance. They are looking at our appearance and if it would be a stumbling block to them hearing the gospel, why wouldn't we remove it and make ourselves appear as someone worth listening too. Also, you mentioned Matthew 18. What does Matthew 18 have to do with this? As Ron pointed out, the original post said nothing about sin. And Matthew 18 only has jurisdiction over a matter when " thy brother trespass against thee..". Since it has never been implied to my knowledge anywhere that anyone has trespassed against another personally in this matter (Nobody has wronged another, in other words), Matthew 18 has no relevance whatsoever. And finally, and again, John the Baptist has nothing to do with this as he is not an example of the new testament Christian who is told to go to the world, because John had one nation coming to him where he was. Isaiah has nothing to do with this as he was specifically told to do what he did as Ron outlined already. Here is a thought. Why did God have to explicitly tell Isaiah to go naked? Because he would never have ever thought of doing so otherwise. In other words, the prophet would have never imagined to do such a thing. It was something so out of the ordinary, that he had to be told to do it, and it was such an odd thing, it became an illustration to prove a point. So I guess my point is that this proves the opposite of what you are trying to use it for. John 7:24 has no relevance to this, and neither does Matthew 18. What is wrong with trying to provoke one another unto good works? Is it so hard to try to reexamine one's position? Are we too set in our ways to learn anything new? Our Saviour is dressed completely to his feet. Re 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. We are going to be like him one day. What do you suppose he will have us wear when we are with him? White robes. Re 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Re 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Re 7:13 ¶ And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Do you know what robes are used for even today? Usually we call them bath robes now and we wear them sometimes at night. Why? To cover our nakedness. The Lord will make sure we are clothed right forever. Should we not represent him that way now? We are also called ambassador's of Christ are we not? Can you imagine an earthly king/president/Ayatollah/prime minister etc. dispatching his representatives in a way which makes them the worst attired group on earth? Unlikely. Of course we do not always have to look the greatest and be dressed to the nines all the time, but can't we represent the Lord as best as we can when we are on official duty acting as his ambassadors to the world (which is what we are doing when we preach publicly- we are on official business). Now I know that there are many hypocrites who dress well also. Dressing well is not the point. Representing the Lord Jesus Christ is. Hypocrites eat and sleep too, but we do not avoid those things just because some hypocrites do. Anyway, I have not said any of these things with malice or unkindness in my heart. I have tried to write with a spirit of instruction and brotherly love so I hope it can be received in the same spirit. PS. Brother Larry, I think you were making a point that God hates those that sow discord among the brethren. That is true, but you do realize that this must preclude those that are trying to admonish or instruct another? In other words, just because someone doesn't like what they hear, they cannot automatically claim the verses you have quoted. If this were the case, you could never rebuke a brother as we are instructed to do. If he didn't like your rebuke, could he just claim that you are sowing discord? Of course not. The sentiment of Proverbs 6 has to do with sowing discord among brethren for no good reason other than for causing conflict. I am sure that was not the intention of Ron. Whether or not you agree with him, if his intention was instruction, then his intention is therefore not to sow discord and thus Proverbs 6 is wrongly applied to this matter. It is an easy shot at Ron, but it is wrongly applied in this case I believe. However, you may believe that was his intention and if it was, you would be correct. I guess Ron could answer to that, as it was his blog not mine. PSS keep the videos on youtube coming, I am a subscriber. In Christ, Brother Ickes Wow, this has taken an interesting turn. I would like to comment about Ruben’s comment about John the Baptist. With all due respect Ruben, (and I do respect your works for God and have told you as much) regarding this subject it seems odd to appeal to John the Baptist as a proof case for the new testament preacher of the gospel. First, John was a forerunner preparing the way for the “Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world” in fulfillment of Isaiah 40. He was a voice of one crying in the wilderness. That part I am sure we can agree on. But there can be no correlation drawn between him and the new testament preaching, Holy Ghost filled preacher on this side of the cross because he was not sent into all the world to preach but rather the nation of Israel went to him. He did not go to people, they came to him. If someone came over to your home or your yard, then they should have no expectation as to your dress because after all, they came to you. The world is not coming to us, we are going to them. If we are going to go where they are, should we not want to represent our Lord properly? I mean, this is just common sense let alone biblical wisdom. We are trying to reach people who do look on the appearance.

1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

I reiterate what I posted earlier, that lost men do look at the outward appearance. We are trying to reach lost men. The mustard stain comment that I made was a hypothetical. Nobody would let a man operate on their brain if that man didn’t even have enough common sense to care for himself or how he presents himself to others he would want to trust him for their care. Likewise, it seems the world would expect a preacher to appear to care how he presents himself and to appear that he is worthy of listening to.
You also made a comment about Jesus not having nice clothes because the Romans had to dress him in purple as a king. How does this infer that Jesus did not have nice clothes? Purple is a royal color and therefore as you said they dressed him in purple “as a king”. This would only allow us to logically conclude that Jesus did not have any purple clothes NOT nice clothes. As a matter of fact, the scriptures would disagree with your claim.

Joh 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.

A seamless garment would have been of great value. This would have been out of the ordinary for anyone but those of great stature. I am confident that this would have been given to him by someone of means, but how he got it is neither here nor there. He had a very nice coat. Jesus represented himself not as rich, but with dignity and respect.
Also, you commented on Joh 7:24 – “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
Let me ask this. How do you use this verse in a discussion about the physical appearance of a man’s clothing or lack thereof? This verse has nothing to do with dress. It is talking about Jesus having healed a man on the sabbath and the problems he was getting from the Jews over it. He was telling them not to judge how his healing “appeared” to them but whether or not it was righteous for him to make a man whole on the sabbath. This has nothing whatsoever to do with how one dresses. This is an example of the dangers of wresting the scriptures. You cannot take a verse out of its context to make it say what you want it to say. When you quoted the verse, you used it to rebuke Ron for judging the “appearance” of people, when the verse has nothing to do with the appearance of people but of his works. Anyway, even if it did mean what you claim it to mean, that would be something that we should be doing amongst ourselves as followers of Christ. How does this affect the wisdom of trying to reach the world with the gospel, when the world (man) does look at the appearance. They are looking at our appearance and if it would be a stumbling block to them hearing the gospel, why wouldn’t we remove it and make ourselves appear as someone worth listening too.
Also, you mentioned Matthew 18. What does Matthew 18 have to do with this? As Ron pointed out, the original post said nothing about sin. And Matthew 18 only has jurisdiction over a matter when ” thy brother trespass against thee..”. Since it has never been implied to my knowledge anywhere that anyone has trespassed against another personally in this matter (Nobody has wronged another, in other words), Matthew 18 has no relevance whatsoever.
And finally, and again, John the Baptist has nothing to do with this as he is not an example of the new testament Christian who is told to go to the world, because John had one nation coming to him where he was. Isaiah has nothing to do with this as he was specifically told to do what he did as Ron outlined already. Here is a thought. Why did God have to explicitly tell Isaiah to go naked? Because he would never have ever thought of doing so otherwise. In other words, the prophet would have never imagined to do such a thing. It was something so out of the ordinary, that he had to be told to do it, and it was such an odd thing, it became an illustration to prove a point. So I guess my point is that this proves the opposite of what you are trying to use it for. John 7:24 has no relevance to this, and neither does Matthew 18. What is wrong with trying to provoke one another unto good works? Is it so hard to try to reexamine one’s position? Are we too set in our ways to learn anything new?

Our Saviour is dressed completely to his feet.

Re 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

We are going to be like him one day. What do you suppose he will have us wear when we are with him? White robes.

Re 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Re 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Re 7:13 ¶ And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Do you know what robes are used for even today? Usually we call them bath robes now and we wear them sometimes at night. Why? To cover our nakedness. The Lord will make sure we are clothed right forever. Should we not represent him that way now?
We are also called ambassador’s of Christ are we not? Can you imagine an earthly king/president/Ayatollah/prime minister etc. dispatching his representatives in a way which makes them the worst attired group on earth? Unlikely. Of course we do not always have to look the greatest and be dressed to the nines all the time, but can’t we represent the Lord as best as we can when we are on official duty acting as his ambassadors to the world (which is what we are doing when we preach publicly- we are on official business). Now I know that there are many hypocrites who dress well also. Dressing well is not the point. Representing the Lord Jesus Christ is. Hypocrites eat and sleep too, but we do not avoid those things just because some hypocrites do.
Anyway, I have not said any of these things with malice or unkindness in my heart. I have tried to write with a spirit of instruction and brotherly love so I hope it can be received in the same spirit.

PS. Brother Larry, I think you were making a point that God hates those that sow discord among the brethren. That is true, but you do realize that this must preclude those that are trying to admonish or instruct another? In other words, just because someone doesn’t like what they hear, they cannot automatically claim the verses you have quoted. If this were the case, you could never rebuke a brother as we are instructed to do. If he didn’t like your rebuke, could he just claim that you are sowing discord? Of course not. The sentiment of Proverbs 6 has to do with sowing discord among brethren for no good reason other than for causing conflict. I am sure that was not the intention of Ron. Whether or not you agree with him, if his intention was instruction, then his intention is therefore not to sow discord and thus Proverbs 6 is wrongly applied to this matter. It is an easy shot at Ron, but it is wrongly applied in this case I believe. However, you may believe that was his intention and if it was, you would be correct. I guess Ron could answer to that, as it was his blog not mine.

PSS keep the videos on youtube coming, I am a subscriber.

In Christ, Brother Ickes

]]> By: RonMcRae http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-14 RonMcRae Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:45:57 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-14 Well as with throwing a rock into a pack of dogs, the same is true with slobs. Throw a verse of scripture into a bunch of street preaching slobs and the one that gets hit, belches first! One can read and re-read the article and never find any kind of a "look" contained in words, a proud one or a humble one. Words don't have looks, just meanings. There is no lying in the article, just a clear statement of observable facts. No imagining anything. No mischief! And discord is not a reference to the angry response and "maligning by self conceited Brethren, who run their own ways, and give liking unto nothing, but what is framed by themselves, and hammered on their anvil". Men who walk around in public in their underwear have lost all sense of shame, so that when this old man simply says, "The Streetpreacher doesn't have any clothes on" (Mark 14:51, 52), their troubled heart can do nothing to get around their guilty conscience but excuse how proud they are of their "linen cloth cast about their naked body", by accusing the author of the very thing they are now shamed over.....PRIDE! These guys are so proud of their "Fruit of the Loom", they can say nothing, and do nothing but accuse the author of being proud. Mr. Keffer, this preacher is not proud of that article at all!! He is ashamed, truly ashamed of the men who have so far removed themselves from scriptural holiness that they do not know how to be "found in fashion as a MAN" (Philippians 2:8). "I speak this to your shame!" (1 Corinthians 15:34). -RM Well as with throwing a rock into a pack of dogs, the same is true with slobs. Throw a verse of scripture into a bunch of street preaching slobs and the one that gets hit, belches first! One can read and re-read the article and never find any kind of a “look” contained in words, a proud one or a humble one. Words don’t have looks, just meanings. There is no lying in the article, just a clear statement of observable facts. No imagining anything. No mischief! And discord is not a reference to the angry response and “maligning by self conceited Brethren, who run their own ways, and give liking unto nothing, but what is framed by themselves, and hammered on their anvil”. Men who walk around in public in their underwear have lost all sense of shame, so that when this old man simply says, “The Streetpreacher doesn’t have any clothes on” (Mark 14:51, 52), their troubled heart can do nothing to get around their guilty conscience but excuse how proud they are of their “linen cloth cast about their naked body”, by accusing the author of the very thing they are now shamed over…..PRIDE! These guys are so proud of their “Fruit of the Loom”, they can say nothing, and do nothing but accuse the author of being proud.
Mr. Keffer, this preacher is not proud of that article at all!! He is ashamed, truly ashamed of the men who have so far removed themselves from scriptural holiness that they do not know how to be “found in fashion as a MAN” (Philippians 2:8). “I speak this to your shame!” (1 Corinthians 15:34). -RM

]]> By: Larry Keffer http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Larry Keffer Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:48:37 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-13 Six things doth the LORD hate: yea seven are an abomination unto Him. A PROUD LOOK, A LYING TONGUE and hands that shed innocent blood, AN HEART THE DEVISETH WICKED IMAGINATIONS, FEET THAT BE SWIFT IN RUNNING TO MISCHIEF, A FALSE WITNESS THAT SPEAKETH LIES, listen to this one Mr. Mcrae AND HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN.....repent and get right with God! Your pride has blinded you from the will of God being done in the body of believers. Cry out to God and ask Him to save you from yourself! You seem to be your own worst enemy. larry Keffer Six things doth the LORD hate: yea seven are an abomination unto Him.
A PROUD LOOK,
A LYING TONGUE
and hands that shed innocent blood,
AN HEART THE DEVISETH WICKED IMAGINATIONS,
FEET THAT BE SWIFT IN RUNNING TO MISCHIEF,
A FALSE WITNESS THAT SPEAKETH LIES,

listen to this one Mr. Mcrae

AND HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN…..repent and get right with God!

Your pride has blinded you from the will of God being done in the body of believers.

Cry out to God and ask Him to save you from yourself!

You seem to be your own worst enemy.

larry Keffer

]]> By: RonMcRae http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-10 RonMcRae Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:23:48 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-10 In the ranks of open air evanglism, regardless of style of delivery or one's thought concerning such delivery, of all the ministers within the body of Christ, those who take to the open air, dutifuly fall within the reach of what the Apostle Paul said were "fools for Christ's sake" (1 Corinthians 4:10); and whether these fools "preach Christ of contention, not sincerely" (Philippians 1:16) or no, "fools" they be still to all concerned, if they truly be preachers, for "the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness" (1 Corinthians 1:18). As such, the Bible reigns with this preacher in how to answer a fool Biblically, and there are certain fools that the Bible commands we "answer not according to his folly, lest thou be like him" (Proverbs 26:4), and then there are certain fools that you "answer according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceits" (vs. 5). Those who take pride in their ministerial underwear fall within the former when they are found in public undressed so in the eyes of those who know better for "Christ's sake". Just as much as the prohet Elijah was smart enough to know the folly and lack of honour to God in "confronting" the angry wife of political wimp (see 1 Kings 19:1-3) in either the public or political arena, so too does this Preacher know the "shame" and folly of trying to argue with a preacher in public or private while he is dressed in his underwear, refusing to admit that it is his underwear simply because he painted a verse of scripture on it! "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words" (Proverbs 23:9). There would be no difference in the judgment of arguing with another preacher's wife in public or private about the folly of her wearing her black and red bra and panties in public because she had verses of scripture written across them for a witness for Jesus! The SPF and its Director has taught for years concerning "the appearance" of such antics being the self justification for wearing such by those who are clad therein. The Holy Scriptures, as well as this preacher's judgments upon such has nothing to do with "the appearance", for the appearance is obvious. It appears to be a "Christian preacher" printing either Bible verses or religious sayings on his underwear and wearing it in public as part of his street ministry activities. That is the appearance by everyone's eye sight including SPF Director. We have left the appearance to be simply what it is, and our judgment and the judgment of the Bible has nothing to do with the appearance. We have simply stated the righteous facts of what these fools are doing, and that is simply wearing their underwear in public thinking they do God a service since they paint scriptures on their scivvies so people will look at their underwear and 'come to Christ'. The philosophying of Brother Ruben about Isaiah "walking naked and barefoot three years" (Isaiah 20:1-4) has nothing whatsoever to do with being "made able ministers of the New Testament" (2 Corinthians 3:6), for he failed to note that God commanded Isaiah to do this "for a sign and a wonder upon Egypt and Ethiopia" (vs. 3). Anyone having read the passage and preached to the sons of Ham in Africa would understand why God would go to this extreme to reach a certain race of people who historically run around naked and barefoot all their lives, just to warn them that "the king of Assyria" would shorlty "lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, TO THE SHAME...THE SHAME...THE SHAME OF EGYPT" (vs. 4). Hey Official Street Preacher, you are commanded by Jesus Christ to not allow "the shame...shame...shame of thy nakedness to APPEAR" (Revelation 3:18)!!! This preacher's judgment upon your underwear is basely solely upon what the Bible adamantly says about "THE APPEARANCE OF THY NAKEDNESS". For one of the greatest lessons in the New Testament about "the appearance" of nakedness, was illustrated very clearly right in the middle of Christ's betrayal, where the Bible matter of factly stated that a young man who "followed Christ" (see Mark 14:51, 52), was only wearing his "linen cloth cast about his naked body". That is what the Bible and every department store calls underwear, "linen". Today, the young men still think it is okay to wear the "linen cloth" in public, "cast about their naked bodies" while "following HIM" (VS. 51), as long as you write some religious saying on it. Now contrary to Brother Ruben's assertion, nothing in the article "concluded how one dresses is sin". Nor did the article say anything about "appearance is godliness". We just stated the plain, observable facts, You are wearing your underwear in pulbic while preaching the gospel. The SPF and this preacher has taught for years that "great is the mystery of godliness" (1 Timothy 3:16), and that godliness is defined in the Bible as "God manifest in the flesh", yours or Christ's! But my dear brother Ruben's desire to know the names of the men/brothers who were in their "dirty underwear", is not for public consumption on this blog, or anywhere else. We will leave the consciences of those who wear "their linen cloth cast about their naked bodies" in public to identify themsleves. Brother Ruben has begun that open testimony of having "wore Christian T-shirts for decades". We make light of the Mormon's and their 'holy underwear', because they deceive themselves into believing because they vainly sanctify their underwear for religious reasons, it makes their underwear special. Howbeit, the same street preachers who wave the Mormon's underwear in public to shame and rebuke the Mormons for believing their Christianity makes a Mormon's underwear special, now get mad because the SPF calls the street preacher's hand for doing the same thing. At least the Mormon keeps his "linens" under his clothes! Brethren, if it is okay for the preacher to wear his under wear in public to witness for Christ, then it is likewise okay for the preacher's wife to wear her bra and panties in public for the same purpose. Reason how depraved!!!! In the ranks of open air evanglism, regardless of style of delivery or one’s thought concerning such delivery, of all the ministers within the body of Christ, those who take to the open air, dutifuly fall within the reach of what the Apostle Paul said were “fools for Christ’s sake” (1 Corinthians 4:10); and whether these fools “preach Christ of contention, not sincerely” (Philippians 1:16) or no, “fools” they be still to all concerned, if they truly be preachers, for “the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness” (1 Corinthians 1:18). As such, the Bible reigns with this preacher in how to answer a fool Biblically, and there are certain fools that the Bible commands we “answer not according to his folly, lest thou be like him” (Proverbs 26:4), and then there are certain fools that you “answer according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceits” (vs. 5). Those who take pride in their ministerial underwear fall within the former when they are found in public undressed so in the eyes of those who know better for “Christ’s sake”. Just as much as the prohet Elijah was smart enough to know the folly and lack of honour to God in “confronting” the angry wife of political wimp (see 1 Kings 19:1-3) in either the public or political arena, so too does this Preacher know the “shame” and folly of trying to argue with a preacher in public or private while he is dressed in his underwear, refusing to admit that it is his underwear simply because he painted a verse of scripture on it! “Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words” (Proverbs 23:9). There would be no difference in the judgment of arguing with another preacher’s wife in public or private about the folly of her wearing her black and red bra and panties in public because she had verses of scripture written across them for a witness for Jesus!
The SPF and its Director has taught for years concerning “the appearance” of such antics being the self justification for wearing such by those who are clad therein. The Holy Scriptures, as well as this preacher’s judgments upon such has nothing to do with “the appearance”, for the appearance is obvious. It appears to be a “Christian preacher” printing either Bible verses or religious sayings on his underwear and wearing it in public as part of his street ministry activities. That is the appearance by everyone’s eye sight including SPF Director. We have left the appearance to be simply what it is, and our judgment and the judgment of the Bible has nothing to do with the appearance. We have simply stated the righteous facts of what these fools are doing, and that is simply wearing their underwear in public thinking they do God a service since they paint scriptures on their scivvies so people will look at their underwear and ‘come to Christ’.
The philosophying of Brother Ruben about Isaiah “walking naked and barefoot three years” (Isaiah 20:1-4) has nothing whatsoever to do with being “made able ministers of the New Testament” (2 Corinthians 3:6), for he failed to note that God commanded Isaiah to do this “for a sign and a wonder upon Egypt and Ethiopia” (vs. 3). Anyone having read the passage and preached to the sons of Ham in Africa would understand why God would go to this extreme to reach a certain race of people who historically run around naked and barefoot all their lives, just to warn them that “the king of Assyria” would shorlty “lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, TO THE SHAME…THE SHAME…THE SHAME OF EGYPT” (vs. 4). Hey Official Street Preacher, you are commanded by Jesus Christ to not allow “the shame…shame…shame of thy nakedness to APPEAR” (Revelation 3:18)!!! This preacher’s judgment upon your underwear is basely solely upon what the Bible adamantly says about “THE APPEARANCE OF THY NAKEDNESS”. For one of the greatest lessons in the New Testament about “the appearance” of nakedness, was illustrated very clearly right in the middle of Christ’s betrayal, where the Bible matter of factly stated that a young man who “followed Christ” (see Mark 14:51, 52), was only wearing his “linen cloth cast about his naked body”. That is what the Bible and every department store calls underwear, “linen”. Today, the young men still think it is okay to wear the “linen cloth” in public, “cast about their naked bodies” while “following HIM” (VS. 51), as long as you write some religious saying on it.
Now contrary to Brother Ruben’s assertion, nothing in the article “concluded how one dresses is sin”. Nor did the article say anything about “appearance is godliness”. We just stated the plain, observable facts, You are wearing your underwear in pulbic while preaching the gospel. The SPF and this preacher has taught for years that “great is the mystery of godliness” (1 Timothy 3:16), and that godliness is defined in the Bible as “God manifest in the flesh”, yours or Christ’s! But my dear brother Ruben’s desire to know the names of the men/brothers who were in their “dirty underwear”, is not for public consumption on this blog, or anywhere else. We will leave the consciences of those who wear “their linen cloth cast about their naked bodies” in public to identify themsleves. Brother Ruben has begun that open testimony of having “wore Christian T-shirts for decades”. We make light of the Mormon’s and their ‘holy underwear’, because they deceive themselves into believing because they vainly sanctify their underwear for religious reasons, it makes their underwear special. Howbeit, the same street preachers who wave the Mormon’s underwear in public to shame and rebuke the Mormons for believing their Christianity makes a Mormon’s underwear special, now get mad because the SPF calls the street preacher’s hand for doing the same thing. At least the Mormon keeps his “linens” under his clothes!
Brethren, if it is okay for the preacher to wear his under wear in public to witness for Christ, then it is likewise okay for the preacher’s wife to wear her bra and panties in public for the same purpose. Reason how depraved!!!!

]]> By: Ruben Israel http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Ruben Israel Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:06:20 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-9 Has anyone EVER confronted these “slobs” as you say to their face? I for one have wore Christian Tee-Shirts for decades and if that is offensive just think what the ‘prophet community’ thought of Isaiah (nude and barefoot) or John the Baptist. I doubt John would be allowed in many Baptist Churches today, just by dress alone. Also note that Jesus did not have nice clothes before he was put on the cross, for the Romans had to dressed Him in purple as a king. YET WE POLISH THEIR TOMBS EVERY SUNDAY. And something tells me, if we were living in that theater we would have kept at arms length from them. Brethren if appearance is godliness, than Beverly Hills and Wall Street should be the New MECCA for Christianity. Did our Lord not teach us “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” I would like the names of these men/brothers/“dirty T-shirt, with mustard stains, vagabonds, beggars and fools” because I for one have NEVER been told of this? Is this a Matthew 18 without telling the brother of this particular sin? Personal I don’t see anywhere we can conclude how one dresses is sin unless we ourselves are consumed with appearance and what others may think. Image, if you were standing at the Jordon River and there you saw John who looked and dressed like a mad man (“dirty T-shirt, with mustard stains, vagabonds and beggars fools”) standing in the river telling the Pharisees dressed in their godly robes yelling “Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”……..judging by appearance who would you think is of God?........Selah…… Balancing out the forum, admonishing ALL that there are more much more meatier issues to disfellowship over. Has anyone EVER confronted these “slobs” as you say to their face?
I for one have wore Christian Tee-Shirts for decades and if that is offensive just think what the ‘prophet community’ thought of Isaiah (nude and barefoot) or John the Baptist. I doubt John would be allowed in many Baptist Churches today, just by dress alone. Also note that Jesus did not have nice clothes before he was put on the cross, for the Romans had to dressed Him in purple as a king. YET WE POLISH THEIR TOMBS EVERY SUNDAY.
And something tells me, if we were living in that theater we would have kept at arms length from them.
Brethren if appearance is godliness, than Beverly Hills and Wall Street should be the New MECCA for Christianity. Did our Lord not teach us “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment”
I would like the names of these men/brothers/“dirty T-shirt, with mustard stains, vagabonds, beggars and fools” because I for one have NEVER been told of this?
Is this a Matthew 18 without telling the brother of this particular sin? Personal I don’t see anywhere we can conclude how one dresses is sin unless we ourselves are consumed with appearance and what others may think.
Image, if you were standing at the Jordon River and there you saw John who looked and dressed like a mad man (“dirty T-shirt, with mustard stains, vagabonds and beggars fools”) standing in the river telling the Pharisees dressed in their godly robes yelling “Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”……..judging by appearance who would you think is of God?……..Selah……
Balancing out the forum, admonishing ALL that there are more much more meatier issues to disfellowship over.

]]> By: George Calvas http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/2009/06/slobs-for-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-8 George Calvas Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:05:29 +0000 http://blog.streetpreachersfellowship.com/?p=7#comment-8 All I can say to what has been written is Amen (Ron) and Amen (Dave) and Amen (Bill). Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. George All I can say to what has been written is Amen (Ron) and Amen (Dave) and Amen (Bill).

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

George

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